Talk:Pierre Martinet (anarchist)

'Women' project

Although this passage is only a small aspect of his life and the page, I believe that the fact he was condemned by the Belgian justice system for, among other things, criticizing the trafficking of women for sexual slavery, undoubtedly justifies his inclusion in this project. The rest of his biography is very gendered and unrelated, I would say, but this element, which is nonetheless noteworthy, seems to me — in my humble opinion — to legitimize this categorization. Not all men or anarchist militants were condemned for similar actions at the same time, so to speak. Aristoxène (talk) 21:37, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

I think WikiProject Women might be a bit broad. Perhaps something more specific to prostitution might be more appropriate. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:30, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Cameron Dewe The prostitution bit is from myself, what the source says is that he criticized 'white female trafficking', the sexual slavery bit is added by myself to explain what 'traite des blanches' means in practical setting, but it's the concept of 'traite des blanches' that he criticizes, not prostitution per se. The source says : 'Peu après, il quitta Paris pour Bruxelles, où il fut arrêté pour délit de presse, ayant participé à la rédaction d’une brochure de François Ernest contre le bourgmestre Buis et la traite des blanches. Expulsé de Belgique, il se fixa à Roubaix en août 1885, où il devint en peu de temps un des animateurs du groupe anarchiste local.' Aristoxène (talk) 09:34, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Though I must say that if you feel it's not relevant there, no worries, get it out - I added this message somewhat for that too. Aristoxène (talk) 09:37, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Aristoxène: I am happy to leave the WikiProject banner there, based on what you have explained. But it does seem to be a small aspect of his life. I am also thinking of other editors who might question the WikiProject's relevance. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 09:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

I agree, let's leave him outside, if someone writes something more about this sentence or if I can find it, I'll tag you back to discuss but in that state yes, let's leave it outside. Aristoxène (talk) 09:57, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

@Aristoxène: I have removed the banner for WikiProject Women, on the strength of this discussion and WP:OVERBANNER. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 10:53, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Theses

Frayne, Carl Tobias (2022), Individualist Anarchism in France and Its Legacy (PhD thesis), Cambridge: University of Cambridge, doi:10.17863/CAM.80240

@Aristoxène, generally English Wikipedia discourages use of unpublished theses in articles, being unvetted. The published monograph is preferred. czar 12:09, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @Czar, yes I know but often the book I can't find it and the thesis I can :( / Here the Frayne source for a-b-c it's only supporting the Maitron which kinda says the same thing I feel like, though maybe a bit differently, and d it's alone I agree. But since for a-b-c it's the same as the Maitron or like the Maitron could be left alone to source and d I mean ok, maybe we can remove it. It's fine because this page it's not 'so much' based on a thesis but for Today or Tomorrow I'm sorry but I couldn't do otherwise :( and I feel like everytime Michel does an anarchist text like a truly anarchist-centered text not like poems, the number of sources drops by 10x ; so for that one I couldn't do otherwise and I hope the page will stay but we'll see, I guess :( Aristoxène (talk) 12:40, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I see a few articles by Frayne but no monograph. If it's not needed, Maitron is usually a strong enough source on its own, if you were to remove Frayne. But ultimately it's not dire, just best practice. (If a dissertation is the only place a fact is mentioned, it also can be an indicator that sources don't consider it so noteworthy to include. We can use primary sources sparingly to fill in connective detail between secondary sources.) czar 12:46, 9 April 2025 (UTC)

@Czar Ok, then let's leave it but I keep that in mind and it's sad because I feel like anarchism is not very studied as is should be. I don't know, like it's very strange that in French we don't have a single big work on individualists in France or even the Bonnot Gang we have like small stuff there and there but nothing working as a big reference I would say, or I don't know it yet. And also since I'm looking a lot of newspaper of the period I should say that the Révolté French archives lack in several places the actual declarations and pages that are usefull. Like L'En Dehors is one of the few newspapers that is not publicly avalaible online + the Révolte has a lot of pages missing, often when there is a declaration of Ravachol or an angry anarchist I would say - so it seems like a field that is also kinda understudied (not saying that it's as if we were doing pages on Togolese precolonial history for example, of course, but still) and it makes finding good sources harder :( But yes, I'll keep that in mind ! Aristoxène (talk) 13:06, 9 April 2025 (UTC)